1 00:00:22,730 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:25,380 hello and welcome to the skeptics own 3 00:00:32,729 --> 00:00:29,430 episode number 335 for the 22nd of March 4 00:00:35,190 --> 00:00:32,739 2015 Richard Saunders here with you from 5 00:00:37,530 --> 00:00:35,200 Sydney Australia what's coming up on 6 00:00:39,299 --> 00:00:37,540 this week's episode of the skeptic zone 7 00:00:42,060 --> 00:00:39,309 we've got evidence please with Joe 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:42,070 alabaster and this week Joe's going to 9 00:00:47,869 --> 00:00:44,050 be looking at some well interesting 10 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:47,879 shops in the Sydney suburb of Newtown 11 00:00:52,799 --> 00:00:50,530 interesting indeed there are some signs 12 00:00:55,410 --> 00:00:52,809 posting the window of some shops we 13 00:00:57,660 --> 00:00:55,420 might call them new ad shops which makes 14 00:00:59,790 --> 00:00:57,670 some pretty extraordinary claims Joe's 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:00:59,800 going to be reading out those claims and 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:01,690 with the help of me and chief 17 00:01:06,749 --> 00:01:03,850 investigator from Australia skeptics Ian 18 00:01:09,630 --> 00:01:06,759 Bryce we're going to be dissecting some 19 00:01:11,450 --> 00:01:09,640 of the claims made on the sides in the 20 00:01:14,279 --> 00:01:11,460 windows of the shops in Newtown 21 00:01:16,260 --> 00:01:14,289 interpreting new-age signs coming up at 22 00:01:17,790 --> 00:01:16,270 the top of the show then it's a week in 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:17,800 signs from our good friends at the Royal 24 00:01:22,830 --> 00:01:20,770 Institution of Australia and following 25 00:01:25,740 --> 00:01:22,840 that it's Heidi Robinson with the raw 26 00:01:28,590 --> 00:01:25,750 skeptic report and Heidi reports this 27 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,600 week on the sad news of a baby dying of 28 00:01:33,270 --> 00:01:30,880 whooping cough in Australia in this day 29 00:01:35,639 --> 00:01:33,280 and age it's it's tragic and so 30 00:01:37,290 --> 00:01:35,649 unnecessary and also an important 31 00:01:39,809 --> 00:01:37,300 announcement on vaccinations from the 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:39,819 New South Wales Government now here's an 33 00:01:44,969 --> 00:01:41,890 important announcement for those people 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:44,979 living in Sydney you can meet me and Joe 35 00:01:51,059 --> 00:01:47,410 alabaster and we'll try and encourage 36 00:01:53,850 --> 00:01:51,069 Maynard to come along as well that will 37 00:01:57,749 --> 00:01:53,860 be at the Australian skeptics dinner 38 00:01:59,730 --> 00:01:57,759 meeting medical madness and embarrassing 39 00:02:02,790 --> 00:01:59,740 bodies you've heard him on the skeptic 40 00:02:04,609 --> 00:02:02,800 zone it's dr. Brad Makai and this will 41 00:02:08,430 --> 00:02:04,619 be the right Eastwood Leagues Club 42 00:02:10,770 --> 00:02:08,440 Saturday March to 28 so that's a your 43 00:02:13,110 --> 00:02:10,780 this Saturday coming but the deadline 44 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:13,120 for getting your tickets is Wednesday 45 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:14,950 the 25th of March so this coming 46 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:16,720 Wednesday you have to be quick bookings 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:20,650 are essential at ww skeptics Comte you 48 00:02:27,089 --> 00:02:23,410 and this promises to be one of the more 49 00:02:29,670 --> 00:02:27,099 interesting of our dinner meetings this 50 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:29,680 year hope to see you there Sydney people 51 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:32,650 go to skeptics calm today you / shop or 52 00:02:35,980 --> 00:02:33,500 just skeptics 53 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:35,990 comdata you for more information and get 54 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:38,000 your tickets there'll be a lucky door 55 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:39,920 prize one person will have their dinner 56 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:43,490 fee reimbursed I think we pull that out 57 00:02:47,260 --> 00:02:45,890 of that or something anyway I hope to 58 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:47,270 see you there and if you do come along 59 00:02:51,580 --> 00:02:49,490 come up and say hello who knows you 60 00:02:53,949 --> 00:02:51,590 might even be interviewed for the 61 00:02:55,570 --> 00:02:53,959 skeptic zone but now it's time for me to 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:02:55,580 not run downstairs because here I am 63 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:00,290 downstairs already enjoying a nice big 64 00:03:10,650 --> 00:03:06,590 glass mmm of raspberry cordial with ice 65 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:10,660 because that's still muggy in Sydney 66 00:03:34,309 --> 00:03:13,489 while I'm enjoying my raspberry cordial 67 00:03:43,699 --> 00:03:36,530 what we want is some more evidence 68 00:03:43,709 --> 00:03:49,780 hello this is Joe alabaster 69 00:03:54,739 --> 00:03:52,520 there's an inner-city suburb in Sydney 70 00:03:57,140 --> 00:03:54,749 called Newtown which is a fantastic 71 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:57,150 place to spend a few hours wandering up 72 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:59,010 and down the Main Street looking at 73 00:04:04,339 --> 00:04:01,200 shops and stopping for a coffee or a 74 00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:04,349 snack Newtown is around 4 kilometers 75 00:04:11,330 --> 00:04:08,609 southwest of the Sydney CBD in the 1960s 76 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:11,340 and 70s affordable share housing and the 77 00:04:15,949 --> 00:04:13,590 suburbs close proximity to the city in 78 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:15,959 universities during a large student 79 00:04:20,270 --> 00:04:18,329 population and Newton became something 80 00:04:22,779 --> 00:04:20,280 of a bohemian center with a thriving 81 00:04:25,249 --> 00:04:22,789 cafe and live entertainment culture 82 00:04:28,430 --> 00:04:25,259 currently and more Road and King Street 83 00:04:30,230 --> 00:04:28,440 hosts over 600 shop fronts and some of 84 00:04:32,390 --> 00:04:30,240 the retailers who have set up in the 85 00:04:35,689 --> 00:04:32,400 area make some rather questionable 86 00:04:38,330 --> 00:04:35,699 claims the skeptic zone took a walk down 87 00:04:41,330 --> 00:04:38,340 King Street Newtown and in the window of 88 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:41,340 a new age shop noticed this sign about a 89 00:04:48,529 --> 00:04:46,410 crystal bed energy vibration medicine is 90 00:04:51,980 --> 00:04:48,539 fast becoming a very popular alternative 91 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:51,990 healing therapy it is the medicine of 92 00:04:57,020 --> 00:04:54,570 the future the crystal light bed 93 00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:57,030 modality is the ultimate life enhancing 94 00:05:02,330 --> 00:04:59,520 experience because of the profound work 95 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:02,340 being done on all levels of the body the 96 00:05:07,879 --> 00:05:04,440 benefits outweigh many other healing 97 00:05:10,159 --> 00:05:07,889 therapies available today it combines 98 00:05:13,219 --> 00:05:10,169 the power of colour and crystal light 99 00:05:15,620 --> 00:05:13,229 frequencies using an array of specially 100 00:05:18,050 --> 00:05:15,630 cut and lighted quartz crystals and 101 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:18,060 involves the application of light beamed 102 00:05:23,089 --> 00:05:20,880 through a lamp the advantages and 103 00:05:27,020 --> 00:05:23,099 effects of this therapy are clarified 104 00:05:29,270 --> 00:05:27,030 further on crystals are capable of 105 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:29,280 transmitting storing and modulating 106 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:32,400 energy the highly organized state of the 107 00:05:37,310 --> 00:05:35,070 quartz crystals allow photons to move 108 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:37,320 without being trapped and condensed as 109 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:41,130 in other forms of matter crystals are a 110 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:44,250 primary source of natural healing due to 111 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:46,289 their symmetrical molecular structure 112 00:05:51,709 --> 00:05:48,449 and their effect on the chromatic 113 00:05:54,409 --> 00:05:51,719 composition of light the vibration of 114 00:05:56,510 --> 00:05:54,419 the crystals resonating and energizing 115 00:05:59,589 --> 00:05:56,520 the sixty to ninety percent of water in 116 00:06:03,290 --> 00:05:59,599 our bodies has a profound healing effect 117 00:06:05,809 --> 00:06:03,300 dr. masaru emoto a visionary 118 00:06:08,210 --> 00:06:05,819 his researcher in his book the message 119 00:06:11,119 --> 00:06:08,220 from water speaks of the positive and 120 00:06:15,529 --> 00:06:11,129 negative and the science stops right 121 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:15,539 there mid sentence huh now I've got a 122 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:17,430 special guest on evidence place to 123 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:19,110 discuss this crystal business further 124 00:06:25,070 --> 00:06:22,620 it's Richard Saunders well thank you Joe 125 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:25,080 alabaster for that reading out of that 126 00:06:30,290 --> 00:06:28,050 interesting sign in the window there in 127 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:30,300 the New Age shop in Newtown I'm with Ian 128 00:06:33,619 --> 00:06:31,919 Bryce the chief investigator of 129 00:06:36,260 --> 00:06:33,629 Australian skeptics now Ian you've had a 130 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:36,270 read of that or a look at the the the 131 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:40,530 sign in the window all to do with a ah a 132 00:06:46,610 --> 00:06:43,770 crystal bed an energy crystal bed that's 133 00:06:48,110 --> 00:06:46,620 right yes Richard I was trying to find 134 00:06:51,589 --> 00:06:48,120 something in it that I could hang my hat 135 00:06:53,540 --> 00:06:51,599 on set to attack but it's all a bit 136 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:53,550 wishy-washy so said I thought I tell you 137 00:06:57,439 --> 00:06:55,680 a bit about crystals and other objects 138 00:06:59,629 --> 00:06:57,449 yeah because this what we just heard 139 00:07:01,249 --> 00:06:59,639 from Joe alabaster talks about for 140 00:07:03,529 --> 00:07:01,259 example crystals are capable of 141 00:07:05,629 --> 00:07:03,539 transmitting storing and modulating 142 00:07:08,899 --> 00:07:05,639 energy the highly organized state of the 143 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:08,909 quartz crystals allow photons to move up 144 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:11,849 being trapped and condensed no dear and 145 00:07:16,189 --> 00:07:14,130 so or photons what can you tell us about 146 00:07:19,129 --> 00:07:16,199 crystals and well i have here Richard 147 00:07:20,749 --> 00:07:19,139 yeah a rock yeah and a crystal oh yeah 148 00:07:21,980 --> 00:07:20,759 this'll can see you since it so I 149 00:07:24,469 --> 00:07:21,990 thought I tell you a bit about physical 150 00:07:26,209 --> 00:07:24,479 properties to go back to that's what 151 00:07:28,219 --> 00:07:26,219 they sound like me Michael bit fell off 152 00:07:31,010 --> 00:07:28,229 sorry good Phillip if it stops working 153 00:07:32,990 --> 00:07:31,020 there and as you can see I can I can put 154 00:07:35,209 --> 00:07:33,000 them on these scales oh yes and weigh 155 00:07:38,149 --> 00:07:35,219 them lift up the microphone indeed yes 156 00:07:43,670 --> 00:07:38,159 so we find that the rock weighs having 157 00:07:46,219 --> 00:07:43,680 12 grams and the crystal weighs 150 158 00:07:47,899 --> 00:07:46,229 grams right nearly the same so that's a 159 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:47,909 basic physical property that everything 160 00:07:52,309 --> 00:07:50,580 has and other things they have is length 161 00:07:54,499 --> 00:07:52,319 and dimensions for example I can use 162 00:07:55,700 --> 00:07:54,509 these calipers to measure the length the 163 00:07:57,649 --> 00:07:55,710 length and the height and the width of 164 00:07:59,420 --> 00:07:57,659 the rock yes the crystal and but they're 165 00:08:01,010 --> 00:07:59,430 simple physical properties yeah it's a 166 00:08:03,469 --> 00:08:01,020 lovely it's like a little cluster of 167 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:03,479 what's the crystal is that there's sort 168 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:07,770 of a almost looks like amber in color 169 00:08:14,659 --> 00:08:11,550 yes I'm not sure quite what ones that is 170 00:08:16,690 --> 00:08:14,669 amethyst is very popular but but I think 171 00:08:19,390 --> 00:08:16,700 that's more purpley I think 172 00:08:21,310 --> 00:08:19,400 around 20 yeah it's got many is that 173 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:21,320 what five centimeters across by about 174 00:08:25,450 --> 00:08:22,910 three centimeters tall it's just like a 175 00:08:27,700 --> 00:08:25,460 cluster of christian yes and some people 176 00:08:29,350 --> 00:08:27,710 many people in fact claim healing 177 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:29,360 properties for them so that's what we're 178 00:08:32,290 --> 00:08:30,770 here to talk about are a physical 179 00:08:34,990 --> 00:08:32,300 properties everything has physical 180 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:35,000 properties and are they magic of course 181 00:08:38,890 --> 00:08:37,460 not in fact this piece of rock if you 182 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:38,900 look at azeri microscope you'll find us 183 00:08:43,270 --> 00:08:41,780 has many fine grain crystals inside it 184 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:43,280 right when I thing as you can't see it 185 00:08:46,330 --> 00:08:44,690 without an instrument so P I think it's 186 00:08:47,830 --> 00:08:46,340 different from the rock so there's 187 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:47,840 nothing that the crystals going to do 188 00:08:51,820 --> 00:08:50,390 that the rock doesn't oh I see that 189 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:51,830 that's interesting I never thought about 190 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:55,370 that yeah and scientists will limit the 191 00:08:58,900 --> 00:08:56,690 physical objects of other properties 192 00:09:00,400 --> 00:08:58,910 like hardness and melting point and 193 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:00,410 boiling point and whether they dissolved 194 00:09:04,690 --> 00:09:03,260 in fluids yeah and engineers make use of 195 00:09:08,140 --> 00:09:04,700 all these properties to make things like 196 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:08,150 concrete and glass and plastic and 197 00:09:12,630 --> 00:09:10,760 liquid crystal displays because they 198 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:12,640 know about these things and there's 199 00:09:17,410 --> 00:09:14,930 nothing magical about crystals they're 200 00:09:22,540 --> 00:09:17,420 just physical objects of course they are 201 00:09:24,970 --> 00:09:22,550 so let's talk about this the the opinion 202 00:09:26,890 --> 00:09:24,980 out there for many of the New Age crowd 203 00:09:29,290 --> 00:09:26,900 that crystals will not only have 204 00:09:30,730 --> 00:09:29,300 mystical properties but they have they 205 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:30,740 make their very different claims that 206 00:09:36,430 --> 00:09:33,170 crystals can do things to energy energy 207 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:36,440 yes that's right when the New Age people 208 00:09:39,700 --> 00:09:37,970 talk about energy they must be talking 209 00:09:41,770 --> 00:09:39,710 about something different on my wall out 210 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:41,780 there this what's called an energy meter 211 00:09:45,070 --> 00:09:43,010 that measures the kilowatt hours 212 00:09:47,350 --> 00:09:45,080 supplied by the electricity since it was 213 00:09:49,660 --> 00:09:47,360 last spread to my house and that 214 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:49,670 measures energy hmm i'd like to ask 215 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:52,640 these new-age proponents if i give them 216 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:53,990 this crystal how will they use the 217 00:09:57,490 --> 00:09:55,490 energy meter to measure the energy in 218 00:09:59,590 --> 00:09:57,500 the crystal oh it's got indicate 219 00:10:02,020 --> 00:09:59,600 spiritual individually yeah that's a 220 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:02,030 element is mechanical energy yeah at 221 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:04,010 this if I drop this under your head from 222 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:07,130 a great hole its kinetic energy is 223 00:10:10,330 --> 00:10:08,660 measured by asim peppermint whether you 224 00:10:12,850 --> 00:10:10,340 got potential than kinetic right that's 225 00:10:14,950 --> 00:10:12,860 right yes that's right the potential 226 00:10:16,990 --> 00:10:14,960 energy due to heart get over to kinetic 227 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:17,000 energy Judy giggles its converted to 228 00:10:21,430 --> 00:10:19,310 painful if anything was it it's fine he 229 00:10:24,850 --> 00:10:21,440 said the energy is a half MV squared 230 00:10:27,730 --> 00:10:24,860 mess times velocity squared and of 231 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:27,740 course if the crystal lands on your head 232 00:10:30,100 --> 00:10:29,330 it'll hurt exactly the same as a rock 233 00:10:31,690 --> 00:10:30,110 under the same 234 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:31,700 conditions yes they're about the same 235 00:10:35,319 --> 00:10:33,250 yes absolutely so the energy of a 236 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:35,329 crystal is no different from the energy 237 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:37,730 of a rock in that respect your lute ly 238 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:39,680 right now well let's have a look at this 239 00:10:43,630 --> 00:10:41,300 interesting claim near the bottom here 240 00:10:46,530 --> 00:10:43,640 that what day I alabaster distritos the 241 00:10:50,110 --> 00:10:46,540 vibration of the crystals resonating and 242 00:10:53,110 --> 00:10:50,120 energizing to the 60 dash ninety percent 243 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:53,120 of water in our bodies has a profound 244 00:10:57,490 --> 00:10:55,790 healing effect what do you okay that 245 00:10:59,829 --> 00:10:57,500 resonating and vibration this is the 246 00:11:02,019 --> 00:10:59,839 other word vibration vibrations yes they 247 00:11:03,900 --> 00:11:02,029 love that word I think most of us have 248 00:11:08,460 --> 00:11:03,910 probably mowing the lawn with an old 249 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:08,470 Victor I do that vibrates your hands and 250 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:11,649 it shakes and shadows and kicks and 251 00:11:18,699 --> 00:11:13,850 shakes well that's vibration gives 252 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:18,709 vibration here and these days power 253 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:21,050 mowers have to have means to control the 254 00:11:24,490 --> 00:11:22,640 vibration because it's possible that 255 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:24,500 vibration in fact as known but too much 256 00:11:29,710 --> 00:11:26,690 vibration kills the nerves in your 257 00:11:31,420 --> 00:11:29,720 fingers and hands and you yeah yeah yeah 258 00:11:35,319 --> 00:11:31,430 so fibration is not to be taken lightly 259 00:11:37,650 --> 00:11:35,329 and crystals don't produce vibration if 260 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:37,660 I was to stick this rock on top of the 261 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:40,370 victim Otomo shagging and spluttering 262 00:11:44,230 --> 00:11:43,010 away you held mower yeah it would jump 263 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:44,240 up and down and rattle because the 264 00:11:47,139 --> 00:11:45,890 vibrations have been transmitted to it 265 00:11:51,870 --> 00:11:47,149 that's right but just sitting here and 266 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:51,880 I'm holding the crystals now in my hand 267 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:54,769 in what sense is this vibrating if I was 268 00:11:58,810 --> 00:11:56,930 to take the new age with certainly not 269 00:12:00,970 --> 00:11:58,820 vibrating this number meaningful way 270 00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:00,980 they don't know as I'm it will transmit 271 00:12:03,730 --> 00:12:02,480 vibration if you put them in one side 272 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:03,740 they'll come out deadly but it's not 273 00:12:10,569 --> 00:12:07,250 producing anything so when they say the 274 00:12:12,009 --> 00:12:10,579 vibration of crystals is its meaning 275 00:12:14,740 --> 00:12:12,019 just nonsense if they don't know what 276 00:12:16,210 --> 00:12:14,750 the word means i have to agree data a 277 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:16,220 lot of these people don't know what the 278 00:12:20,819 --> 00:12:18,290 word energy means because in this blurb 279 00:12:24,579 --> 00:12:20,829 it's used here we are right at the top 280 00:12:27,009 --> 00:12:24,589 energy / vibration medicine is becoming 281 00:12:28,689 --> 00:12:27,019 very popular energy vibration medicine 282 00:12:31,060 --> 00:12:28,699 that's a new term perhaps nuclear 283 00:12:34,810 --> 00:12:31,070 medicine where it is the Arctic medicine 284 00:12:36,939 --> 00:12:34,820 a lot of the proponents of homeopathy oh 285 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:36,949 my Appa 'they will say that its energy 286 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:40,010 medicine homeopathy is energy man it's 287 00:12:44,369 --> 00:12:41,529 not physical energy 288 00:12:46,439 --> 00:12:44,379 physical medicine is not what we might 289 00:12:48,540 --> 00:12:46,449 understand but it works on energy oh 290 00:12:50,009 --> 00:12:48,550 well it must be magic obviously they 291 00:12:52,199 --> 00:12:50,019 don't know it energy means you don't 292 00:12:54,199 --> 00:12:52,209 seriously they don't and when you're 293 00:12:57,689 --> 00:12:54,209 talking with these people can be very 294 00:13:00,749 --> 00:12:57,699 very frustrating because when you're not 295 00:13:04,019 --> 00:13:00,759 talking the same language in effect the 296 00:13:06,689 --> 00:13:04,029 other one they refer to a notice dr. 297 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:06,699 masaru emoto a visionary japanese 298 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:09,910 researcher in his book the message from 299 00:13:13,290 --> 00:13:11,410 water speaks of the positive and 300 00:13:15,689 --> 00:13:13,300 negative and it just ends at the 301 00:13:17,970 --> 00:13:15,699 positive and negative it is just a heads 302 00:13:20,189 --> 00:13:17,980 haha what I wouldn't say they didn't 303 00:13:22,769 --> 00:13:20,199 know what constitutes a sentence well 304 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:22,779 there you go but he's the guy well in 305 00:13:26,549 --> 00:13:24,850 all and as possible fairness to these 306 00:13:28,199 --> 00:13:26,559 people maybe they just cut the page off 307 00:13:29,699 --> 00:13:28,209 their own and okay now that he's the guy 308 00:13:32,519 --> 00:13:29,709 of course he died last year but he was 309 00:13:34,829 --> 00:13:32,529 taking the microscopic pictures of water 310 00:13:36,660 --> 00:13:34,839 yes indeed he was singing to the water 311 00:13:38,009 --> 00:13:36,670 we use singing to the water and then you 312 00:13:39,869 --> 00:13:38,019 freeze the water and it changes the 313 00:13:42,299 --> 00:13:39,879 shape of the crystals and well we did a 314 00:13:45,540 --> 00:13:42,309 bit of research on him as I had before 315 00:13:48,629 --> 00:13:45,550 as well Andy variously causes of dr. 316 00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:48,639 professors sir oh yes and he's never 317 00:13:55,139 --> 00:13:51,519 conducted research at a university his 318 00:13:57,780 --> 00:13:55,149 degree is from in the sri lankan degree 319 00:14:00,030 --> 00:13:57,790 mill oh really and if you didn't know if 320 00:14:01,499 --> 00:14:00,040 you research that they don't have any 321 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:01,509 lectures you don't have to attend victor 322 00:14:04,949 --> 00:14:03,610 they don't have any laboratory's the 323 00:14:06,869 --> 00:14:04,959 requirement for getting a degree there 324 00:14:08,249 --> 00:14:06,879 is to send them five hundred dollars in 325 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:08,259 a statement of what you would like your 326 00:14:13,470 --> 00:14:11,920 certificate to say then you get a 327 00:14:15,629 --> 00:14:13,480 doctorate that's right in fact they've 328 00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:15,639 issued 1,000,000 an estimated 1 million 329 00:14:19,319 --> 00:14:17,740 degrees hey that's not bad without 330 00:14:23,340 --> 00:14:19,329 having a lecture theatre or laboratory 331 00:14:24,540 --> 00:14:23,350 that's not bad yeah I said that again is 332 00:14:27,509 --> 00:14:24,550 the type of thing that these people 333 00:14:29,639 --> 00:14:27,519 refer to without any checking at all hmm 334 00:14:31,860 --> 00:14:29,649 five minutes on the internet a bit of 335 00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:31,870 research will find out because this 336 00:14:36,210 --> 00:14:34,720 man's name comes up often when I'm 337 00:14:38,249 --> 00:14:36,220 talking to New Age people they will 338 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:38,259 often refer to dr. Emoto as if he's 339 00:14:42,239 --> 00:14:40,569 conducted real research which validates 340 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:42,249 their point of view that the energies 341 00:14:46,690 --> 00:14:43,360 can have a 342 00:14:49,510 --> 00:14:46,700 he was on water and so on well the 343 00:14:52,330 --> 00:14:49,520 scientists are always cautious in what 344 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:52,340 they say they say things like he hasn't 345 00:14:57,970 --> 00:14:55,370 published any refereed pages and he 346 00:15:01,090 --> 00:14:57,980 doesn't have a laboratory and his work 347 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:01,100 has never been verified and it's not 348 00:15:04,990 --> 00:15:03,170 taken very seriously well I say it's 349 00:15:07,420 --> 00:15:05,000 nonsense from start to finish yeah and 350 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:07,430 it's also fraudulent he became very rich 351 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:10,910 from this without without any real basis 352 00:15:14,830 --> 00:15:12,770 or or under false pretenses yes you 353 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:14,840 don't go a bit further and there's more 354 00:15:19,750 --> 00:15:17,090 interesting things here the Crystal 355 00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:19,760 Light bed modality is the ultimate in 356 00:15:23,650 --> 00:15:22,160 life enhancing experience because of the 357 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:23,660 profound work being done on all levels 358 00:15:28,270 --> 00:15:25,880 of the body uses what we call word salad 359 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:28,280 of course and then oh hello here comes 360 00:15:32,860 --> 00:15:30,890 another plane it's fun living in the 361 00:15:34,540 --> 00:15:32,870 light the flight puppy now they uses 362 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:34,550 real internet right it reminds you of 363 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:36,770 the advances of technology as i said in 364 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:40,250 castle it says it combines the power of 365 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:44,330 color and crystal light frequencies ah 366 00:15:48,220 --> 00:15:46,370 now i can i must these are just words 367 00:15:50,860 --> 00:15:48,230 but they just were thrown together yeah 368 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:50,870 frequencies is another technical word so 369 00:15:55,180 --> 00:15:53,360 how would you technically give give our 370 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:55,190 audience a good understanding of the 371 00:16:00,160 --> 00:15:57,530 word frequencies or frequency because 372 00:16:02,770 --> 00:16:00,170 this word comes up again and again and 373 00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:02,780 again yes indeed well frequency is a 374 00:16:06,670 --> 00:16:05,360 fundamental physical property that you 375 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:06,680 can measure frequency means have 376 00:16:10,930 --> 00:16:08,300 frequently something's happening happens 377 00:16:14,050 --> 00:16:10,940 exactly right yeah and the the power 378 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:14,060 coming to your house the frequency is 50 379 00:16:17,950 --> 00:16:15,650 cycles per second or 50 Hertz because 380 00:16:20,710 --> 00:16:17,960 the voluntary versus 50 times a second 381 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:20,720 and when I'm speaking to you my voice as 382 00:16:24,490 --> 00:16:22,250 a health spectrum of San some of the 383 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:24,500 sound is 300 cycles per second or 300 384 00:16:30,329 --> 00:16:26,870 Hertz and the three thousand Hertz bit 385 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:30,339 in between so that the frequency means 386 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:32,960 refers to some physical phenomenon not 387 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:34,850 objective but a phenomenon you can refer 388 00:16:39,550 --> 00:16:37,040 to sound decree further light can refer 389 00:16:41,290 --> 00:16:39,560 to x-rays and hope your holidays you 390 00:16:43,030 --> 00:16:41,300 might have your holidays might have a 391 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:43,040 frequency of two per year or wednesday 392 00:16:47,770 --> 00:16:45,230 yes so it's really a time interval 393 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:47,780 between two events that's right when you 394 00:16:52,450 --> 00:16:49,370 when you boil down to it so when they 395 00:16:54,790 --> 00:16:52,460 talk about the frequency it they don't 396 00:16:56,290 --> 00:16:54,800 even does not even refer any what 397 00:16:58,270 --> 00:16:56,300 physical phenomena as weather 398 00:17:00,190 --> 00:16:58,280 slight of ultrasonic vibration together 399 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:00,200 for the frequent this was a sort of 400 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:01,130 thing we were getting with the power 401 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:02,510 balance wristband if you remember that 402 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:05,570 when they would say it's embedded with 403 00:17:09,730 --> 00:17:07,970 frequencies and the wine Kurt and the 404 00:17:11,380 --> 00:17:09,740 wine car is embedded with frequencies 405 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:11,390 which were transferred to the wine so 406 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:13,970 let me look at that sentence embedded 407 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:16,010 with frequencies does that make any 408 00:17:21,730 --> 00:17:17,990 sense as a slice like this this rock is 409 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:21,740 embedded with length yeah well just as 410 00:17:26,370 --> 00:17:24,500 meaningful yeah so to say something is 411 00:17:28,870 --> 00:17:26,380 embedded with frequencies as just your 412 00:17:30,490 --> 00:17:28,880 son nonsense it's not a lot of 413 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:30,500 frequencies is not a noun that you can 414 00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:32,690 use in that application right so you'd 415 00:17:37,300 --> 00:17:34,820 have to click Satan it contains lie to 416 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,310 it it's being vibrated by something or 417 00:17:41,410 --> 00:17:39,440 so something optra something you can't 418 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:41,420 embed something with frequencies notice 419 00:17:45,220 --> 00:17:42,950 the sentence doesn't make sense that's 420 00:17:47,500 --> 00:17:45,230 right frequencies is a physical 421 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:47,510 measurement yeah yeah not a phenomenon 422 00:17:52,780 --> 00:17:49,490 yeah so next time someone says that you 423 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:52,790 did this question is frequencies of what 424 00:17:59,530 --> 00:17:54,290 yes and you know what the answer would 425 00:18:01,060 --> 00:17:59,540 be 0 energy ran in circles but and I 426 00:18:03,010 --> 00:18:01,070 mean you've been at this game for a long 427 00:18:04,540 --> 00:18:03,020 time in a lot longer than I have you 428 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:04,550 must have come across similar sort of 429 00:18:10,060 --> 00:18:07,610 things where people say the mystical 430 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:10,070 energies or you've come across claims 431 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:11,870 with crystals before I would imagine Oh 432 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:15,070 many times yeah yes usually you just 433 00:18:22,210 --> 00:18:18,490 laugh at them that the hundredth time 434 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:22,220 the other did I mean we're just looking 435 00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:23,930 at some other pictures taken at the same 436 00:18:29,290 --> 00:18:27,560 the same shop here and one of the other 437 00:18:32,260 --> 00:18:29,300 things they have here is in a big sign 438 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:32,270 that saying immerse yourself in crystal 439 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:36,410 light crystal light bed therapy and it 440 00:18:41,230 --> 00:18:39,410 says the book ends as an opens your 441 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:41,240 chakras there yeah there you go Sacre's 442 00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:42,740 is at least they're not claiming that to 443 00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:44,720 be a scientific term it cleanses an open 444 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:47,360 chakras from negative negativity and 445 00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:49,010 energy block music nah-ha energy 446 00:18:52,900 --> 00:18:50,480 blockages that's right yeah let's talk 447 00:18:55,650 --> 00:18:52,910 about energy blockages and and and this 448 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:55,660 this whole thing of negative energy it's 449 00:18:59,740 --> 00:18:58,010 again it's another nonsense isn't it I 450 00:19:01,210 --> 00:18:59,750 mean it maybe they're thinking of a 451 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:01,220 positive and a negative on a battery 452 00:19:06,010 --> 00:19:02,690 terminal something like that but that 453 00:19:07,930 --> 00:19:06,020 doesn't mean good or better good or bad 454 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:07,940 no is it could it could mean north or 455 00:19:12,250 --> 00:19:09,530 south or one or two it's just a way to 456 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:12,260 differentiate isn't exactly yes sir I've 457 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:14,060 got into trouble on some healing 458 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:16,490 retreats where the japanese professor 459 00:19:21,130 --> 00:19:19,370 was cleansing our negative energies or 460 00:19:23,050 --> 00:19:21,140 chi oh yeah at the end of the session 461 00:19:26,140 --> 00:19:23,060 you brushed yourself down to scrape away 462 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:26,150 or the negative Chi off your body and I 463 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:28,130 had the nerve to us where does it 464 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:30,170 actually go is that I said is that what 465 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:31,790 these holes in the floor or for what 466 00:19:35,860 --> 00:19:33,950 does it accumulate under the building 467 00:19:38,260 --> 00:19:35,870 will it come back and haunt us again 468 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:38,270 later and he looked at me like I was 469 00:19:43,810 --> 00:19:42,050 stupid anyway the next session he was to 470 00:19:45,730 --> 00:19:43,820 now brush all the negative energies of 471 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:45,740 you and he said where they go we do not 472 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:48,230 know oh really how about a litany 473 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:50,570 remembered it so yes this whole concept 474 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:52,970 of negative energies is a nonsense of 475 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:54,890 course chakras are nonsense because 476 00:19:58,750 --> 00:19:56,690 they're just a made-up points of the 477 00:20:03,060 --> 00:19:58,760 body just arbitrary I would imagine but 478 00:20:06,730 --> 00:20:03,070 we're chakras and a lot of Ayurvedic 479 00:20:08,830 --> 00:20:06,740 so-called doctrine and so forth comes 480 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:08,840 from a pre-scientific civilization user 481 00:20:14,980 --> 00:20:12,650 stage years am that so you can't blame 482 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:14,990 them for making up things like that 483 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:16,220 because they didn't have a knowledge of 484 00:20:20,380 --> 00:20:18,050 science but in the energy and frequency 485 00:20:22,390 --> 00:20:20,390 a real word well known that he'll 486 00:20:24,670 --> 00:20:22,400 science yeah the next point it makes 487 00:20:27,340 --> 00:20:24,680 here are under benefits lifts your 488 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:27,350 energy vibration while aligning the 489 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:29,030 entire chakra system let's look at the 490 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:31,810 first part lifts your energy vibration 491 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:35,870 does that make any sense at all so again 492 00:20:39,100 --> 00:20:37,550 we got word salad we just got words 493 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:39,110 thrown together that sound like they're 494 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:42,110 from science number sound meaningful but 495 00:20:46,750 --> 00:20:45,290 simply don't make any real sense mmm I 496 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:46,760 like this one improves all health 497 00:20:50,620 --> 00:20:48,650 conditions that's a big claim that's 498 00:20:52,830 --> 00:20:50,630 right the few yeah if you could if you 499 00:20:55,330 --> 00:20:52,840 look at a medication and read its 500 00:20:57,940 --> 00:20:55,340 description it tells us specifically 501 00:20:59,680 --> 00:20:57,950 what ailments that can hear in a fit 502 00:21:02,950 --> 00:20:59,690 like for example high blood pressure or 503 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:02,960 gastric reflux but something that would 504 00:21:07,660 --> 00:21:04,970 improve all health conditions wide 505 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:07,670 acclaim but I deal with one claim here 506 00:21:13,030 --> 00:21:09,800 that i would probably would say would 507 00:21:15,970 --> 00:21:13,040 work benefits feeling deep relaxation 508 00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:15,980 and in a piece i would expect if you go 509 00:21:18,730 --> 00:21:17,480 to one of these sessions and you're 510 00:21:20,290 --> 00:21:18,740 treated well and you lie 511 00:21:24,610 --> 00:21:20,300 on something you think is mystical you 512 00:21:25,810 --> 00:21:24,620 will probably get a relaxation benefit 513 00:21:27,700 --> 00:21:25,820 out of it because you think something 514 00:21:29,549 --> 00:21:27,710 mystical and magical is happening I mean 515 00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:29,559 you get the same thing lying down on a 516 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:32,240 blow-up bed on a swimming pool I would 517 00:21:35,290 --> 00:21:34,010 expect and be Laura flotation tank 518 00:21:37,210 --> 00:21:35,300 richer don't know whether you have 519 00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,220 assessed me my present yes yeah when I 520 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:39,679 was younger I i tried the flotation 521 00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:41,929 taken i found it restful and peace mine 522 00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:44,980 quite quite pleasant or a message and 523 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:47,360 indeed absolutely right so this make you 524 00:21:50,650 --> 00:21:48,530 feel better there's no doubt about that 525 00:21:54,010 --> 00:21:50,660 yeah but don't cure illnesses no they 526 00:21:55,390 --> 00:21:54,020 don't they don't so yeah this whole the 527 00:21:57,460 --> 00:21:55,400 other one is the immune system also 528 00:21:59,680 --> 00:21:57,470 stimulates and boosting immune system 529 00:22:04,380 --> 00:21:59,690 well funny enough what really affects 530 00:22:08,049 --> 00:22:06,549 it's something we know all too well on 531 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:08,059 the places to do that is called 532 00:22:12,790 --> 00:22:10,730 vaccination anything that would help so 533 00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:12,800 yeah I I don't see how lying in a 534 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:18,080 crystal bed would do that and we got 535 00:22:23,860 --> 00:22:20,510 other word salad here it is a relaxing 536 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:23,870 rejuvenating repairing and rebalancing 537 00:22:27,910 --> 00:22:25,850 experience of rebalancing is very 538 00:22:29,169 --> 00:22:27,920 important see if you're unbalanced 539 00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:29,179 you'll tend to fall over if they walk 540 00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:32,360 along the hook performance that wouldn't 541 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:34,220 be any good with it no move your center 542 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:35,390 of gravity there's another physical 543 00:22:41,710 --> 00:22:37,929 measurement you ms center of mass yeah 544 00:22:44,650 --> 00:22:41,720 so we've got a lot of a lot of these 545 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:44,660 new-age words popping up here in and it 546 00:22:51,549 --> 00:22:47,330 in the end it's really an abuse of words 547 00:22:54,370 --> 00:22:51,559 that have very powerful meanings in 548 00:22:57,340 --> 00:22:54,380 science and very definite meanings yes 549 00:23:00,160 --> 00:22:57,350 all i can say is that furthering science 550 00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:00,170 education will help to promote this as 551 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:01,760 clearly shown that the higher the level 552 00:23:06,370 --> 00:23:03,730 of science education their lists that 553 00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:06,380 belief in whoa in the community yeah 554 00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:09,020 benefits everyone you don't need you 555 00:23:13,900 --> 00:23:10,640 know always benefit in your career 556 00:23:15,490 --> 00:23:13,910 perhaps or vocation from science 557 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:15,500 education but it helps you adapt to 558 00:23:19,540 --> 00:23:17,570 everyday life yeah yeah and it might 559 00:23:22,030 --> 00:23:19,550 help you when you see something like 560 00:23:24,220 --> 00:23:22,040 these words strung together lifts your 561 00:23:27,490 --> 00:23:24,230 energy vibration in you can recognize 562 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:27,500 that that is a meaningless statement you 563 00:23:31,150 --> 00:23:29,809 might can spend your money on something 564 00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:31,160 that will benefit to you like we 565 00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,440 mentioned a massage 566 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:35,200 or a pleasant holiday yes a dinner with 567 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:37,750 a friend I'd rather I'd rather have a 568 00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,170 dinner with a friend and a crystal the 569 00:23:45,030 --> 00:23:43,120 other thing is crystal light bed therapy 570 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:45,040 without knowing what it does yeah it's 571 00:23:51,030 --> 00:23:47,170 let's suppose that there is a bit of 572 00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:51,040 crystals and then a clip with lights 573 00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:53,340 under them to illuminate them yeah and 574 00:23:58,110 --> 00:23:56,470 maybe there's a clear plastic surface 575 00:24:00,000 --> 00:23:58,120 that you then lie on so that your body 576 00:24:03,870 --> 00:24:00,010 is exposed to this that would be very 577 00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:03,880 much like a tanning booth do you 578 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:06,180 remember those he is the term yeah Oh 579 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:09,280 salon salons yes tanning booths yes I 580 00:24:12,510 --> 00:24:10,690 know they did expose you to ultraviolet 581 00:24:14,550 --> 00:24:12,520 light so you attend quickly and look 582 00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:14,560 attractive yeah yeah well they've been 583 00:24:19,380 --> 00:24:17,190 found to be very hard very hard yeah 584 00:24:20,700 --> 00:24:19,390 increase the chance of melanoma so it 585 00:24:23,790 --> 00:24:20,710 was actually none of them in use anymore 586 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:23,800 I suspect this is probably behind this 587 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:25,570 this Chris it would probably be been 588 00:24:30,030 --> 00:24:27,340 lying in some sort of bed with crystals 589 00:24:31,620 --> 00:24:30,040 and blue lights on and then all the 590 00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:31,630 associated claims the crystals have had 591 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:34,000 a long history in the New Age industry 592 00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:36,490 of mystical meanings and healings and 593 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:38,860 indeed you can buy books which lists all 594 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:41,170 the range of crystals and all their 595 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:44,770 healing modalities or claims that's 596 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:47,320 right well the Sun they talk about 597 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:50,290 crystals refracting light and the light 598 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:51,910 having special properties well of course 599 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:53,170 people pay a lot of money for diamonds 600 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:55,000 and other gems that yes that are 601 00:24:58,590 --> 00:24:56,650 crystals and they're cut to certain 602 00:25:03,060 --> 00:24:58,600 angles to refract the light in very 603 00:25:06,090 --> 00:25:03,070 attractive ways but cut glass crystal 604 00:25:07,650 --> 00:25:06,100 glass decanters and goblets and so forth 605 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:07,660 have a very similar effect that almost 606 00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:10,450 the same remember the very fracked light 607 00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:13,030 assignment and funny thing is that glass 608 00:25:18,990 --> 00:25:14,950 isn't even a crystal it's a name office 609 00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:19,000 yeah yeah so there if the refraction of 610 00:25:23,340 --> 00:25:21,280 light that they claim for crystals it is 611 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:23,350 not actually specific to crystals and 612 00:25:28,410 --> 00:25:25,450 snowing and the amorphous materials as 613 00:25:30,330 --> 00:25:28,420 well so sorry so there we re there's a 614 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:30,340 whole lot of interesting claims to look 615 00:25:33,780 --> 00:25:32,410 out there that's just looking another 616 00:25:36,180 --> 00:25:33,790 photograph from the shop now we've got 617 00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:36,190 arrange it like crystal lights and 618 00:25:41,010 --> 00:25:38,200 crystal this and crystal that the same 619 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:41,020 shop offers psychic readings and all 620 00:25:46,030 --> 00:25:44,110 sorts of things like them I have here a 621 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:46,040 couple of other examples of crystals 622 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:49,370 being used for whoo when is this salt 623 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:51,470 shaker here here told Himalayan crystal 624 00:25:56,830 --> 00:25:54,710 skulls laying crystal salt I'm shaking 625 00:26:01,030 --> 00:25:56,840 it you pay a lot of money that has pink 626 00:26:04,030 --> 00:26:01,040 in color oh yeah hmm so that's another 627 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:04,040 exploitation is here the purest salt on 628 00:26:10,510 --> 00:26:07,810 earth how about that doesn't ground 629 00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:10,520 granules yes beautiful well of course 630 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:12,500 salt and sugar are crystalline if you 631 00:26:16,750 --> 00:26:14,500 look at them on a fine scale yeah yeah 632 00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:16,760 but of course once you eat them they 633 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:18,380 dissolve in the water and then yeah 634 00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:21,470 become just an ionized solution so so 635 00:26:27,250 --> 00:26:24,560 much for the crystals and of course 636 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:27,260 every few years that the New Age 637 00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:28,370 movement comes out with a different 638 00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:30,350 product that i can sell that they can 639 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:32,510 sell for example i can remesh it i can 640 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:34,850 remember when they were selling mud from 641 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:37,610 the bottom of a swiss lake yes your eyes 642 00:26:41,860 --> 00:26:39,530 rub on your face different mixes of 643 00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:41,870 years 10 years ago here Elaine I'm sure 644 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:43,400 a third of you Elaine but or maybe 645 00:26:47,020 --> 00:26:45,290 Himalayan is just trained e to say 646 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:47,030 something's from that region and the 647 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:47,990 other one was in the end earth or 648 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:51,290 charcoal Sam would really dug up this 649 00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:52,730 ancient charcoal with mystical 650 00:26:58,750 --> 00:26:56,000 properties on you so that for you now 651 00:27:01,000 --> 00:26:58,760 the other object i have here yup oh wow 652 00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:01,010 a salt crystal lamp it's a lab it's got 653 00:27:05,470 --> 00:27:02,840 a power cord coming out of it a try and 654 00:27:08,770 --> 00:27:05,480 it it's very large maybe maybe where's 2 655 00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:08,780 kilograms yeah and it's hollowed out and 656 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:11,510 it's got a light glow oh yeah and that 657 00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:13,850 causes healing ions to be emitted by the 658 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:17,120 fight that's it that's right when would 659 00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:20,570 think that it's just a lump of yellowish 660 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:23,600 salt that puts out a nice pleasant di 661 00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,250 pleasant like it's very good for a night 662 00:27:29,890 --> 00:27:27,440 light because it helps you to see the 663 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:29,900 stairs in the dark yes or for that but 664 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:31,250 it's claimed healing properties all 665 00:27:36,940 --> 00:27:34,010 really afraid not so crystals are used 666 00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,950 in many different things if he began to 667 00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:39,200 an alternative shop you'll probably find 668 00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:41,630 10 different applications of crystals 669 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:44,600 being claimed to just to solve various 670 00:27:49,810 --> 00:27:46,370 things don't think so thank you very 671 00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:49,820 much Ian Bryce for your insights I'm 672 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:50,990 sure we've learned a lot more about 673 00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:53,510 nonsense words and crystals and 674 00:27:57,220 --> 00:27:55,040 frequencies and energies and things like 675 00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:57,230 that and a bit more about real physics I 676 00:28:03,220 --> 00:27:59,210 had a bit more cut real physics 677 00:28:05,139 --> 00:28:03,230 now back to joe alabaster also spotted 678 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:05,149 in newtown was a chalkboard in the 679 00:28:09,399 --> 00:28:08,090 window of a natural cosmetics shop it's 680 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:09,409 a little difficult for me to read 681 00:28:13,630 --> 00:28:11,330 verbatim and fully capture the tone of 682 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:13,640 what's been written so let you know when 683 00:28:18,909 --> 00:28:15,289 we hit all caps writing multiple 684 00:28:23,649 --> 00:28:18,919 underlines of maleic talc is closely 685 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:23,659 related to asbestos talc particles have 686 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:25,490 been shown to cause tumors in the 687 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:28,450 ovaries and lungs of cancer victims 688 00:28:33,870 --> 00:28:30,770 talcum is often their number one 689 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:33,880 ingredient in cosmetics its cost is 690 00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:36,350 approximately fifty dollars that's 691 00:28:42,460 --> 00:28:39,470 Underland per metric ton that's 692 00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,470 capitalized then we've got dollar sign 693 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:44,960 dollar sign door son dollar sign or caps 694 00:28:50,889 --> 00:28:48,460 do the maths exclamation marks 695 00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:50,899 nanoparticles are the ticking time bomb 696 00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:55,039 of this generation along with GMO these 697 00:29:01,570 --> 00:28:57,470 particles cross the brain / blood 698 00:29:04,180 --> 00:29:01,580 barrier capitals a billion nanoparticles 699 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:04,190 fit on the head of a pin the rave of 700 00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:07,570 invisible sunscreens is not so glamorous 701 00:29:15,490 --> 00:29:12,529 capitals we don't underline use Z zinc 702 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:15,500 in any double underline foundations or 703 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:19,130 products lots of exclamation marks all 704 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:22,760 caps knowledge if not applied becomes a 705 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:25,490 burden and then we've got a couple of 706 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:28,850 little X's as kisses at the end wow so 707 00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:30,890 that's a rather scary claim that talc 708 00:29:36,010 --> 00:29:33,350 causes cancer and I'm very happy to 709 00:29:37,779 --> 00:29:36,020 reassure you that it is a myth it's an 710 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:37,789 interesting one though as it did 711 00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:41,870 originally have some basis in fact the 712 00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:43,940 shop window sign claims that talc is 713 00:29:48,610 --> 00:29:47,240 closely related to asbestos this sounds 714 00:29:50,139 --> 00:29:48,620 rather alarming given that most 715 00:29:52,180 --> 00:29:50,149 Australians are quite familiar with 716 00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:52,190 asbestos fiber inhalation related 717 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:54,260 illnesses including malignant lung 718 00:30:00,010 --> 00:29:57,250 cancer mesothelioma and asbestosis and 719 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:00,020 the controversy surrounding the closing 720 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:01,610 down of the asbestos mining and 721 00:30:07,810 --> 00:30:05,090 manufacturing industries as far as 722 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:07,820 mineral composition goes tuck is fairly 723 00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:10,610 closely related to asbestos talc is 724 00:30:15,090 --> 00:30:12,820 hydrated magnesium silicate 725 00:30:17,330 --> 00:30:15,100 asbestos constitutes a set of six 726 00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:17,340 naturally occurring silicate minerals 727 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:20,860 however this does not suggest that talc 728 00:30:27,149 --> 00:30:24,070 is danger a parallel claim would be to 729 00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,159 suggest that water h2o is dangerous 730 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:28,720 because it has a similar chemical 731 00:30:35,850 --> 00:30:32,490 composition to hydrogen peroxide h2o2 732 00:30:38,220 --> 00:30:35,860 unlike water hydrogen peroxide is an 733 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:38,230 oxidant corrosive and creates localized 734 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:40,690 capillary embolism on contact with human 735 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:43,809 skin that one extra oxygen molecule 736 00:30:48,990 --> 00:30:45,970 resulting in an unstable peroxide bond 737 00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:49,000 makes a heck of a lot of difference so 738 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:52,000 where's the fact because of their 739 00:30:56,909 --> 00:30:54,490 similar composition talc deposits are 740 00:30:59,789 --> 00:30:56,919 often found close to asbestos deposits 741 00:31:02,669 --> 00:30:59,799 as such talc deposits can be 742 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:02,679 contaminated with asbestos while the 743 00:31:07,470 --> 00:31:05,289 talc itself is very much innocuous talc 744 00:31:09,379 --> 00:31:07,480 products produced prior to nineteen 745 00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:09,389 seventy three were sometimes 746 00:31:15,690 --> 00:31:13,649 contaminated with asbestos in 1973 747 00:31:18,269 --> 00:31:15,700 regulation of talc products was 748 00:31:20,369 --> 00:31:18,279 introduced resulting in prior risks 749 00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:20,379 associated with contaminated talcum 750 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:23,740 powder being abolished modern tout 751 00:31:27,659 --> 00:31:25,450 refining processes are stringently 752 00:31:29,999 --> 00:31:27,669 monitored and there's no risk of lung 753 00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:30,009 disease associated with modern talcum 754 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:34,870 powder or talc products the ovarian 755 00:31:39,299 --> 00:31:37,000 cancer claims are based on studies which 756 00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:39,309 found an increased ovarian cancer risk 757 00:31:45,450 --> 00:31:41,860 associated with the use of talcum powder 758 00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:45,460 but relied on self-reports over a large 759 00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:47,950 time period and as such were unable to 760 00:31:52,259 --> 00:31:49,720 measure either the purity of the talc 761 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:52,269 used by participants nor the frequency 762 00:31:56,999 --> 00:31:55,330 and dose at which it was applied as such 763 00:31:59,730 --> 00:31:57,009 no causal link has been drawn between 764 00:32:03,200 --> 00:31:59,740 talcum ovarian cancer and studies have 765 00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:03,210 been deemed inconclusive now 766 00:32:08,940 --> 00:32:06,580 nanoparticles there is no known health 767 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:08,950 risk associated with products containing 768 00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,000 nanoparticles applied to the skin in 769 00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:13,840 2013 the Therapeutic Goods 770 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:15,940 Administration published a review of 771 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:18,250 relevant studies which concluded that 772 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:20,289 nanoparticles do not penetrate the skin 773 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:22,809 beyond the outermost layer systemic 774 00:32:27,790 --> 00:32:25,970 absorption of nanoparticles is unlikely 775 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,800 link oxide nanoparticles in particular 776 00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:30,320 have been studied and when exposed in 777 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:32,900 vivo to a human immune cells the immune 778 00:32:38,530 --> 00:32:35,210 cells absorb the nanoparticles and broke 779 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:38,540 them down claims regarding the dangers 780 00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:40,370 of nanoparticles and skin products are 781 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:43,190 not based on any credible evidence nor 782 00:32:47,260 --> 00:32:45,080 for that matter is the other suggestions 783 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:47,270 slipped in on the side that GMOs pose a 784 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:49,610 health risk to humans despite public 785 00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:52,970 successes of anti GMO campaigners you 786 00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,710 know I get the impression that the 787 00:32:58,660 --> 00:32:56,480 people who run the natural cosmetics 788 00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:58,670 store very likely believe that they are 789 00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:01,760 doing good I could be cynical and come 790 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:03,200 to the conclusion that they're knowingly 791 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:05,510 using non evidence-based fear tactics to 792 00:33:09,370 --> 00:33:07,490 sell their products but that's something 793 00:33:11,170 --> 00:33:09,380 I really come across when encountering 794 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:11,180 people who manufacture products based 795 00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:13,490 around a naturalistic fallacy and false 796 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:16,070 dangers I think that it's far more 797 00:33:20,110 --> 00:33:18,410 likely that perhaps at some point the 798 00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:20,120 store owners came across misinformation 799 00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:22,430 on the dangers of talc and nanoparticles 800 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:24,590 and took it as fact and then built a 801 00:33:29,470 --> 00:33:26,210 business around something that they felt 802 00:33:31,180 --> 00:33:29,480 was going to be good for people likewise 803 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:31,190 the vast majority of alternative 804 00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:33,230 medicine practitioners crystal sellers 805 00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:35,510 and other assorted were peddlers strike 806 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:38,030 me as genuinely wanting to and believing 807 00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:41,570 that they are doing good does this 808 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:43,790 excuse the fact that their practices are 809 00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:46,130 not based on solid scientific evidence 810 00:33:50,950 --> 00:33:49,100 well not at all I feel that everybody 811 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:50,960 has a responsibility not to spread 812 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:52,930 misinformation on pseudoscience 813 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:55,010 particularly when such can cause people 814 00:33:59,290 --> 00:33:56,810 to forego evidence-based medical 815 00:34:02,200 --> 00:33:59,300 assistance or advice be seriously out of 816 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:02,210 pocket buying magic beans or place faith 817 00:34:08,500 --> 00:34:06,470 in myths rather than facts however I 818 00:34:09,910 --> 00:34:08,510 still try to remain charitable in 819 00:34:11,890 --> 00:34:09,920 dealing with people who make these 820 00:34:14,890 --> 00:34:11,900 claims they're really made with 821 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:14,900 malicious intent likewise I hope that 822 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,610 people are able to understand that when 823 00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,320 we questioned their claims and asked for 824 00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:20,000 evidence we're not doing so to be 825 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:23,660 malicious smug or dogmatic anyhow I 826 00:34:27,850 --> 00:34:25,700 think that it's worth keeping an eye out 827 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:27,860 when you're passing by shop windows or 828 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:30,110 public notice boards particularly in 829 00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:31,970 areas with higher concentrations of 830 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,220 alternative lifestylers alternative 831 00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:36,480 practitioners and the like 832 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:38,460 it can make for a good opportunity to 833 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,290 keep on top of the sorts of claims being 834 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:42,720 made and prompt some interesting fact 835 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:45,450 finding and discussion for more evidence 836 00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:47,850 please you can find my blog at evidence 837 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:50,700 please net evidence please is also on 838 00:35:09,010 --> 00:34:52,770 Facebook and you can contact me on 839 00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:10,990 having a baby is a very special 840 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:13,820 experience for any young parent but 841 00:35:18,220 --> 00:35:15,650 imagine what it would be like to live 842 00:35:20,860 --> 00:35:18,230 with the fear that at any time that baby 843 00:35:24,070 --> 00:35:20,870 could become seriously ill and even die 844 00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:24,080 from preventable disease this was the 845 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,390 everyday reality for our grandparents 846 00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,400 and the countless generations before 847 00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,280 them the vaccination chronicles is a 848 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:33,200 documentary film by Richard Saunders 849 00:35:38,830 --> 00:35:36,170 with stories from real people who know 850 00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:38,840 firsthand what it's like to see family 851 00:35:44,590 --> 00:35:40,910 members suffer from diseases we hardly 852 00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:44,600 hear about today it's a powerful message 853 00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:46,790 for today's parents wondering about 854 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:49,640 vaccinating their own children the 855 00:35:54,850 --> 00:35:52,310 documentary is free to view and show in 856 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:54,860 public without seeking permission just 857 00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:58,010 google the vaccination chronicles for 858 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:01,040 the youtube link you can also order the 859 00:36:06,390 --> 00:36:04,130 DVD of the documentary autographed by 860 00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,400 Richard Saunders for only twelve dollars 861 00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:09,200 this covers production and postage to 862 00:36:15,310 --> 00:36:12,500 anywhere in the world the DVD includes 863 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:15,320 extra interviews archival newspaper 864 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:17,690 reports and other features from the 865 00:36:24,090 --> 00:36:22,370 1940s and 1950s the artwork for the DVD 866 00:36:32,530 --> 00:36:24,100 in the cover are included on the DVD 867 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:32,540 itself just visit w WX on TV to order 868 00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:35,420 your copy once you have the DVD it's 869 00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:38,030 your job to copy it and pass it along to 870 00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:41,000 as many people as you wish they in turn 871 00:36:46,090 --> 00:36:43,700 are encouraged to do the same the 872 00:36:57,260 --> 00:36:46,100 vaccination chronicles a must-see for 873 00:37:02,400 --> 00:36:59,700 welcome to a week in science from our 874 00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:02,410 iOS bringing you the science you need to 875 00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:04,870 know if your reality could use a few 876 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:07,440 improvements why not augment it 877 00:37:11,820 --> 00:37:09,700 augmented reality is an emerging 878 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:11,830 technology that's here to inform guide 879 00:37:20,190 --> 00:37:17,650 and entertain us in the real world when 880 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:20,200 you think about real experiences virtual 881 00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:22,810 reality probably comes to mind but why 882 00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:25,390 create a virtual reality when you could 883 00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:27,310 simply adjust the world in which you 884 00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:30,220 live all you need for augmented reality 885 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:33,310 is a camera and a display then you can 886 00:37:38,670 --> 00:37:35,890 add elements even interactive elements 887 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:38,680 to a real world view smartphones and 888 00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:40,330 tablets are the obvious device for 889 00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,300 augmented reality using GPS or other 890 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:46,000 landmarks augmented reality apps can 891 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:48,010 help you navigate give you useful 892 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:50,730 information or change your surroundings 893 00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:54,010 what about a dedicated display you could 894 00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:56,980 have unobtrusive glasses or a futuristic 895 00:38:03,650 --> 00:37:59,410 headset either way this type of 896 00:38:07,050 --> 00:38:03,660 augmented reality can change your world 897 00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:07,060 as you can expect the commercial 898 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:08,440 applications have been well and truly 899 00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:11,610 noticed advertisements can come to life 900 00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:14,380 leaping from the page or screen to offer 901 00:38:19,020 --> 00:38:16,900 more information and content or show a 902 00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:19,030 preview and trying on clothing and 903 00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:20,740 accessories might be a thing of the past 904 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:23,320 so if changing reality takes your fancy 905 00:38:31,140 --> 00:38:26,290 here's for fast facts about augmented 906 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:31,150 reality the very first augmented reality 907 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:33,730 head mounted display was developed at 908 00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,570 Harvard University in 1968 but the term 909 00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:40,240 augmented reality wasn't coined until 910 00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:42,940 nineteen ninety Google started beta 911 00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:45,160 testing their augmented reality headset 912 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:49,390 Google glass in 2013 and researchers in 913 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,460 the US are developing a way to display 914 00:38:55,830 --> 00:38:54,400 information directly to the retina it 915 00:38:57,690 --> 00:38:55,840 would look like the information was 916 00:39:00,060 --> 00:38:57,700 floating in front of you 917 00:39:03,150 --> 00:39:00,070 that's it for this week in science for 918 00:39:08,460 --> 00:39:03,160 more information on augmented reality go 919 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:08,470 to the RI oh's website RI aus org dot a 920 00:39:14,850 --> 00:39:12,010 you follow us on twitter and our IRS and 921 00:39:29,700 --> 00:39:14,860 like us on facebook I'm Tanya Meyer and 922 00:39:31,830 --> 00:39:29,710 we'll catch you next week on Maynard com 923 00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:31,840 dono you we should call for a sound 924 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:34,150 effects solo this is where Tim gives me 925 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:35,770 a couple of hours worked by getting a 926 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:38,050 sound effect solo together Tim call for 927 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:41,410 a sound effect solo a pussycat firing a 928 00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:54,810 there you go Tim oh man you managed to 929 00:40:11,960 --> 00:39:57,400 find that who knew someone had recorded 930 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:15,960 it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi 931 00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:26,530 Robertson hello everyone on Tuesday 932 00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:29,369 afternoon this week March seventeenth 933 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:33,240 Riley John Hughes at just four weeks old 934 00:40:38,849 --> 00:40:36,490 died from pertussis commonly known as 935 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:38,859 whooping cough in Princess Margaret 936 00:40:44,849 --> 00:40:42,730 Hospital in Perth Riley was too young to 937 00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:44,859 have had his first pertussis vaccine 938 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:47,200 which is given between six to eight 939 00:40:52,339 --> 00:40:50,650 weeks of age his is the first death from 940 00:40:57,690 --> 00:40:52,349 whooping cough in western australia 941 00:41:00,599 --> 00:40:57,700 since 2011 despite enduring an 942 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:00,609 unimaginable loss Riley's mum and dad 943 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:03,010 have set up a Facebook page called light 944 00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:05,740 for Riley in order to raise awareness of 945 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:09,359 this dreadful disease Riley's dad says 946 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:11,770 due to the significant media attention 947 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:14,410 that the tragic passing of our beloved 948 00:41:20,099 --> 00:41:17,170 son has drawn we've established this 949 00:41:22,770 --> 00:41:20,109 page what will come from it yet I'm not 950 00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,780 entirely sure we're desperate to ensure 951 00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:24,880 the passing of our child has not been in 952 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:27,369 vain and to try and assist other 953 00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:29,260 families who may be potentially 954 00:41:35,970 --> 00:41:33,270 suffering from similar circumstances on 955 00:41:37,650 --> 00:41:35,980 Thursday the nineteenth of March The 956 00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:37,660 Daily Telegraph published the following 957 00:41:45,870 --> 00:41:43,270 exclusive report quote free vaccine for 958 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:45,880 pregnant mums to beat deadly whooping 959 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:48,730 cough every pregnant woman in New South 960 00:41:53,010 --> 00:41:51,010 Wales will receive a free whooping cough 961 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:53,020 vaccine the new south wales government 962 00:41:58,500 --> 00:41:55,330 has announced in response to the latest 963 00:42:00,960 --> 00:41:58,510 infant death Health Minister Jillian 964 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:00,970 Skinner announced the move exclusively 965 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:03,220 to the Daily Telegraph after news broke 966 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,210 that for 967 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:06,400 cold Riley Hughes died on Tuesday in 968 00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:09,730 Perth New South Wales will offer these 969 00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:11,710 vaccines to all pregnant women in New 970 00:42:15,420 --> 00:42:13,540 South Wales in their third trimester 971 00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:15,430 free of charge and we are currently 972 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:17,260 awaiting new guidelines from the 973 00:42:22,170 --> 00:42:19,390 National Health and Medical Research 974 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:22,180 Council in order to progress miss 975 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:25,690 Skinner said health experts fear 976 00:42:29,849 --> 00:42:27,250 Australia is on the verge of another 977 00:42:32,130 --> 00:42:29,859 whooping cough epidemic with numbers up 978 00:42:35,339 --> 00:42:32,140 three hundred percent on last year's 979 00:42:37,500 --> 00:42:35,349 figures the daily and sunday telegraph's 980 00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:37,510 have been campaigning through the no job 981 00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:40,420 no play campaign to raise vaccination 982 00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:43,060 rates in New South Wales there have been 983 00:42:46,859 --> 00:42:45,190 two thousand eight hundred and ninety 984 00:42:51,390 --> 00:42:46,869 three cases of whooping cough in 985 00:42:54,329 --> 00:42:51,400 Australia so far this year with 1221 of 986 00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:54,339 those in New South Wales the new 987 00:42:58,260 --> 00:42:56,140 announcement follows Victoria and 988 00:43:00,180 --> 00:42:58,270 Queensland lead to offer the free 989 00:43:03,450 --> 00:43:00,190 booster to pregnant women in the third 990 00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:03,460 trimester previously babies have been 991 00:43:08,609 --> 00:43:05,800 given the vaccine at six weeks for 992 00:43:10,050 --> 00:43:08,619 months and six months but a booster 993 00:43:12,270 --> 00:43:10,060 given in the last trimester of pregnancy 994 00:43:15,450 --> 00:43:12,280 is now thought to offer the best 995 00:43:18,089 --> 00:43:15,460 protection for newborns professor peter 996 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:18,099 mcintyre director national center for 997 00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,250 immunization research and surveillance 998 00:43:26,460 --> 00:43:22,720 said pregnancy shots were offered in the 999 00:43:29,790 --> 00:43:26,470 UK in 2012 after a spate of baby deaths 1000 00:43:33,089 --> 00:43:29,800 and as a result numbers decreased by 1001 00:43:35,579 --> 00:43:33,099 ninety percent director of communicable 1002 00:43:38,310 --> 00:43:35,589 disease branch of New South Wales health 1003 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:38,320 dr. Vickie Shepherd said New South Wales 1004 00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:42,970 was do another peak after 2 2009 to 2012 1005 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:45,250 outbreak that claimed the lives of two 1006 00:43:50,579 --> 00:43:48,670 new south wales babies we've been 1007 00:43:52,410 --> 00:43:50,589 watching very closely with the numbers 1008 00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:52,420 rising each month and we haven't had a 1009 00:43:59,640 --> 00:43:55,540 peak since 2011 so we are due for 1010 00:44:02,010 --> 00:43:59,650 another dr. Shepherd said end quote the 1011 00:44:04,290 --> 00:44:02,020 vaccine in the third trimester has a 1012 00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:04,300 couple of advantages both for the baby 1013 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:07,270 and the mother the mother is afforded 1014 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,130 some protection from contracting the 1015 00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:11,680 disease herself and in having the 1016 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:13,660 vaccine in the later stages of the third 1017 00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:16,450 trimester she also passes a good level 1018 00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:17,440 of protection 1019 00:44:22,349 --> 00:44:19,569 the disease across the placenta to the 1020 00:44:24,839 --> 00:44:22,359 baby hopefully enough to last them until 1021 00:44:29,099 --> 00:44:24,849 they can receive their first vaccine at 1022 00:44:31,740 --> 00:44:29,109 six to eight weeks of age bringing back 1023 00:44:34,650 --> 00:44:31,750 this vaccine free in the wake of Riley's 1024 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:34,660 tragic death is very positive news for 1025 00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:36,930 families across New South Wales 1026 00:44:42,089 --> 00:44:39,520 Queensland and Victoria already have 1027 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:42,099 this initiative in place and on Friday 1028 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:44,290 western australia announced they too 1029 00:44:49,290 --> 00:44:47,410 will be bringing it in let's hope the 1030 00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:49,300 rest of the states and territories now 1031 00:44:54,359 --> 00:44:51,910 follow suit and recognize the latest 1032 00:44:56,609 --> 00:44:54,369 research and evidence supporting 1033 00:45:00,839 --> 00:44:56,619 pertussis vaccination in the third 1034 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:00,849 trimester of pregnancy at the northern 1035 00:45:11,849 --> 00:45:04,890 rivers vaccination supporters website 1036 00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:11,859 wwn rvs info we have Novak's no visit 1037 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:14,200 Flyers you can print out for anyone who 1038 00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:16,680 wants them who is expecting a new baby 1039 00:45:22,020 --> 00:45:20,020 these remind family and friends to get 1040 00:45:25,530 --> 00:45:22,030 up to date with their boosters prior to 1041 00:45:28,170 --> 00:45:25,540 visiting a new baby just go to the 1042 00:45:30,660 --> 00:45:28,180 resources tab on the website to print 1043 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:30,670 out either a color or black-and-white 1044 00:45:59,230 --> 00:45:38,710 version that's ww nrvs info thanks 1045 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:01,970 thank you for listening to the skeptic 1046 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:04,770 zone and as I said at the top of the 1047 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:06,930 show I hope Sydney people i hope i can 1048 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:09,030 meet you at the australian skeptics 1049 00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:11,850 dinner meeting on the twenty-eighth of 1050 00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,720 march the ride eastwood leagues club 1051 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:17,520 with our special guest dr. brad Makai 1052 00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:20,610 talking about embarrassing bodies and 1053 00:46:27,500 --> 00:46:23,880 medical madness promises to be a great 1054 00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:27,510 evening head to ww skeptics comdata you 1055 00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:30,540 to get your ticket and thanks to joe 1056 00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,060 alabaster Heidi Robertson and a special 1057 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:36,000 guest Ian Bryce for helping to put 1058 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:38,610 together this week's episode Ian Bryce 1059 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:40,290 is such an interesting man my friends 1060 00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,050 he's been a skeptical activist and 1061 00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:45,900 investigator for many many years and he 1062 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:47,610 knows his electronics and his 1063 00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:50,010 engineering and his physics inside out I 1064 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:52,590 always go to him when I have these sort 1065 00:46:56,570 --> 00:46:54,810 of questions thank you to those people 1066 00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:56,580 who have been commenting on the videos 1067 00:47:01,550 --> 00:46:58,200 that we've been posting up on the 1068 00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:01,560 skeptics own Facebook page didn't do one 1069 00:47:06,290 --> 00:47:04,320 this week because I didn't seem a nerd I 1070 00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:06,300 didn't see Joe and it's more fun to do 1071 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:08,310 it with a colleague I think but enough 1072 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:10,170 people like those little video so I 1073 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:12,410 think what will keep turning them out 1074 00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:14,970 coming up in the coming weeks on the 1075 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:17,700 skeptic zone I hope to bring you news 1076 00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:21,450 about a more formal test of the premium 1077 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:24,420 wine card yes the wine car do you rub 1078 00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:26,190 the card against the glass of wine and 1079 00:47:31,070 --> 00:47:28,470 it magically tastes better well that's 1080 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:31,080 the claim anyway and Australian skeptics 1081 00:47:36,110 --> 00:47:33,570 are going to put this too am a rigorous 1082 00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:36,120 scientific test a couple of weeks ago on 1083 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:38,040 the skeptic zone we had a fun test with 1084 00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:39,570 wine card at skeptics in the pub in 1085 00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:43,440 Sydney where people got to try out the 1086 00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,780 card for themselves pretty soon we'll be 1087 00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:48,480 doing a proper rigorous test will the 1088 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:52,680 wine card work well if I was a betting 1089 00:47:58,250 --> 00:47:56,610 man hmm and thank you for those people 1090 00:48:02,210 --> 00:47:58,260 of course who contribute to the skeptic 1091 00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:02,220 zone via paypal its skeptic zone TV your 1092 00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:03,660 contributions are 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